Narrator: OTAN, Outreach and Technical Assistance Network.
OTAN resources for adult education. OTAN Technology and Distance Learning Symposium 2020.
Susan Coulter: To start off, I want to welcome you to TDLS, and I'm excited to share with you some OTAN resources. I feel like it's something that's hidden, that the people don't know about and there's so much work that goes into some of these projects that I want you to know about them and be able to use them. OK.
Our objectives. Well, basically we're going to dig for buried treasure on the OTAN website. There's a lot people don't know about, and I want this workshop to be interactive. So if you have a laptop, a phone, a tablet, we are staying on the OTAN website, we aren't going any further. There's just so much to view. So please, feel free to follow along.
I love this graphic, it's one of my favorites, and it shows many of the projects that OTAN does. We're going to start here with news articles. There are news articles that come out every single month, both for teachers and for administrators, and we will talk about how to get those. You already know about TDLS. There are online resources for adult education. Here's the Teachers and Administrators Digest, and then we have Teaching with Technology, which is an online database of activities for your students. And we'll talk about those. And then face-to-face and online training.
So OTAN does a lot. It's one of the three leadership projects for California. You have CALPRO, you have CASAS, and you have OTAN. And CALPRO is more research, CASAS is testing. [laughs] And-- what?
Susan Coulter: And reporting. Accountability. I work also for Baldwin Park, and I'm in charge of data and accountability. So I'm very keen on that. And then-- what was the last one? OTAN, technology! Enhancing your lessons. This is the OTAN website. I usually just put in otan.us and get to their site.
And what we're going to be doing is we're going to be going across these little tabs here because there's so much. The first one we're going to look at is training. We're at the first tab. So if you have your phone or something, you want to go to Training. And under Training we have Face-to-Face Workshops, Online Workshops, TDLS, Digital Leadership Academy, and the California Adult Education Professional Development Training Calendar where you can get lots of webinars, classes.
Face-to-face. This is only part of them, but you can get OTAN to come out to your site. How many of have had OTAN come? Not that many.
Audience: Oh, you guys, it's awesome. It is absolutely amazing. If can do it, do it.
Susan Coulter: Yeah. They'll come out for three hours and do a workshop, and it's anything to do with technology. What do we have up here? Chromebooks for adult education, communicating with Google. Which-- I'm going down-- Google Classroom for Adult Education. You want your teachers to get involved with Google Classroom. We go out.
Another one that is beginning to be popular is OER. Open Educational Resources. If you're ever working out a paper or something like that, how do I cite this particular image? Do I have licensing rights? Where do I find things? You want to make a worksheet for your students. If you want to be precise, you've got to have permission to use images. Anyway, that's a different one. Microsoft Office for Adult Education. I know you can't see these. Privacy, Google Tools, Google Drive, all kinds.
Now if you want one-- wow, that's hard to read-- face-to-face workshops, basically you have to have 10 people signed up two weeks in advance, and they will come out. You in just need 10 people. And if you don't have 10 teachers, you can also go open it up to the community so that other adults schools may-- they may have people that want to attend, and then the word goes out. And there's some fine tips here. All devices must have a current up-to-date browser version, dah, dah, dah, dah. The finer details are there.
Online workshops. They are scheduled. I'm fine. Life's good. [laughs] She's checking. These are some of the online workshops. I just did one last week? Week before? On learn-- Learn360. And that was an hour and a half. There's workshops-- there are OTAN Tech Talks. I think it's the second Friday of the month at 1 o'clock they do a tech talk. Tech talk's a little bit different. With a tech talk, they do a presentation-- you can't ask any questions, it's all scripted. It's just straight information. That's for the first 20 to 30 minutes.
But then you get to ask questions, see demonstrations, it's great. There's one coming up on Loom. Have you ever heard of Loom? Video messaging. I love it. I'm giving one on the 13th on Google Loom-- not Google-- Loom, just Loom. It's called Loom, and you can actually send a video message in Gmail. It's cool.
It is very simple. You can send it with a kind of a silhouette down in the corner, and I use it to report problems. If something doesn't work, I'll send it to Joey, one of the programmers, and I'll say, this is what happened, and I can show him. When I got to here, this is the error message that I got, you know? It's a little video, it's quick it's simple, they can see exactly what I did, I kind of talk him through it. So it's easy for me.
And I think what I like the most is the ease of using it. But this is just one of the tech talks, OK? One tech talk, there's all kinds of them, all right? So be sure to check out tech stocks. They will come up-- they are posted on the other site, so we'll get to that. Requirements here, you should have to be able to hear them and type. You don't have to have a microphone. Normally on tech stocks and webinars, you don't have to have a microphone. It's nice if you do, but beyond that, it's pretty straightforward.
You already know about this. And what happens is one year, it's in the north. So we're in the north. And then next year it'll be in Southern California somewhere. I think they're trying to get it in San Diego, somewhere down there, but yeah. It'll be back up here some-- I think we were in Fresno not too long ago, so yeah.
This one, the Digital Leadership Academy. I can't stop talking about it. This is-- have you heard of TIMAC? Any TIMACers? No TIMACers? Ah, Farzana, yes. And then we went to TIMAC was Technology Integration Mentor Academy. And then we went to OTAC, because we wanted to get involved more with online.
So what we did was we did an online teachers academy. And they were both running at the same time, TIMAC and OTAC. Then they said, hey, let's bring these two together, and that's where we got DLAC. And you'll find a lot of DELACers here today because that's part of the program, is they come and they present. So you'll see them presenting their projects.
And what it is, you have about three in your group, and you can apply-- it's opening up in April, I hope. Yes, she said yes. OK. It's opening up in April. And you have an administrator, maybe a couple of teachers, and you have a plan from your professional development plan. No, technology plan. From your technology plan, and you just take on a project.
You want-- I think-- I had one school who went from went to online teaching, and she had 350 some-odd students enrolled within the first year. But OTAN gives you the support. They give you a coach to support you. You meet with your coach on a monthly basis. You come up to Sacramento-- so if you're from Sacramento, that's going to be easy. But you come up, it's paid for by OTAN, the agency is just responsible for the time off. So giving you time off to come on up.
I don't think-- well, I've got Farzana who is a coach. I don't have anyone in here from DLAC. But it's really a great opportunity-- oh, there we go. I'm sorry. Yeah. She's DLAC. So it's great, and it really-- think about your agency. If you're interested in any type of distance learning or blended learning, there is-- it's a two-year program or project, and you get online training. Dr. Paul comes in with some great-- he's great.
Anyway. But anyway. And if you want more information, you can talk to Neda. She's in charge of it. Or you can ask any of the coaches-- Farzana's a coach, I'm a coach. I'm trying to think who else-- I don't even know who our coaches are. Susan Gair, yes. Amazing. But yeah, ask about it. And talk to your administrators about forming a team.
We like to get to throughout the state, we want to serve every agency. So if your agency was involved probably not the next time, although I know my agency was involved with TIMAC and with DLAC, but it was years apart. So just want to serve everyone and give the opportunity to as many schools as possible, OK?
So that's DLAC. So please, it's two years, name and-- they're listing the dates. You often meet online as a huge group-- the whole group. And I think we have, what, seven agencies right now? Seven agencies. And they're here presenting, which is amazing. It's like, my first time! And they will do a final presentation in May at SCOE, Sacramento County Office of Education, and if you want to, you can come by and see their projects. It's great.
Anyway. This is the calendar. California Adult Education Professional Development. And as you can see, there are entries here, you can barely read them, but it's all of the webinars, the meetings, everything that's happening with California adult education. It's a good place to take a look. CASAS posts a lot of workshops, online webinars and what's going on. Those will go here. I like to look just at OTAN, OK? And so you can actually filter and say, yeah, I just want to see what OTAN has to offer, or I just want to see what CALPRO has to offer. So take a look at what your interests are-- or CASAS, there's always CASAS workshops, they're great, OK? So that's where you can find that.
And this was all under Training, OK? So all of this is found under Training. Now let's go to Resources, because there are all kinds of resources available to you. We're going to take-- first let's look at the Curriculum Offers, Adult Education Courses, Teaching with Technology-- so there's a lot of things there. I would say the majority of your resources are right there. But let's go on.
Curriculum Offers. We have cK-12, and there is a workshop on that tomorrow, so take a look at that. cK-12-- well, let's go on. There's cK-12, Essential Education, i-Pathways, Learn360-- I'm doing Learn360 tomorrow, so it's another opportunity. Learning Upgrade, and NROC and Revolution English. So let's take a look.
cK-12. How many think textbooks are high-priced? Everybody, right? cK-12 has free textbooks. You can go in and it's a lot of math and sciences. I was teaching high school, and what I did was I had a-- I think was a biology book. And I actually would put up lessons that matched with the textbook, all right? You could-- but now they've gone into these flex books, and they're interactive. They put videos in them. How exciting is that?
And you can design it yourself. I don't want to do that chapter first, let's do it down here. You can create your own textbook. It's amazing. They started out probably 12 years ago-- 10, 12, something like that? I heard him at a Q conference and I said, wow. And now with the flex books, there's interactives. So great resource. I want you to take a look at it and possibly attend the workshop tomorrow.
Essential Education. Self-paced blended learning course from Essential Education. So a resource for you, OK? i-Pathways. This is more prep for GED, HiSET. And it is project/web-based high school equivalency prep curriculum. On any of these, there is fine print. Where is it? Down here-- please fill out the signup form. And what you have to do is you go to the website here, and I'm going to-- yeah. And then just click and say you want to sign up for it, OK? And they will get you started. Yes?
They did that with EdReady, and we'll talk about EdReady, but they kept a version, OK? So I'm not certain what their plan is. I don't think they want to just totally drop it. But I honestly don't know, but I would put your name in and say, I want to continue on, what's the status? Or pick up the phone and call OTAN. I don't have any problem calling. When I get stuck, I'm not going to fret over it for too long, I'll just call up and ask, not a problem, OK?
All right, this is Learn360-- this is my baby. I love Learn360. When I started presenting on this, they had 94,000 multimedia resources. That's quite a few. What I like about Learn360 is they may take a video, a long video, and they chop it up, OK? So here's the section on nouns, here's the section on verbs. They have these segments. And you can put it into your Google Classroom, it goes right in.
There's also Canvas, Moodle. You can get an embed code, you can put it in on your website. But it is pretty amazing. And right here is where to sign up for it. You have to be WIOA II-funded agency. And right here, this is a TikTok I did last year, I think. That gives you kind of an overview, although it has changed since the fall.
It's constantly changing. Doing a workshop, as I said, tomorrow on Learn360, show you what's there. There are-- he's mentioning in Spanish, but you can translate pages into just-- I think it's 100 languages or something? 100 and something. I mean, there's all kinds of languages. But it'll speak in English, but it will give a transcript on the side, and the whole page can be translated into a hundred different languages. So it's really pretty amazing.
OK, let's go on. Learning Upgrade, over 900 English and math CCRS-aligned lessons, so here's another one. But what you need to do-- what I'm asking you to do today is to focus in on your agency and what you need, because there's an overwhelming amount here. OK. NROC. I love NROC. The developmental English and the developmental math is now in Moodle courses. so if you are-- you have a Moodle course or you want to Moodle course, they'll actually set it up. So those two.
EdReady. I love EdReady. I wish our agency used it more. But EdReady started out as a company that wanted to prepare students for college. In particular, the college entrance exams. So if you were to go to edready.org, what you would find is you or any of your students could log on and they take you through-- they ask you what college you're going to and what test they give type of thing, and they can study specifically. It's mainly math, but you can study for that particular test. So you find the college in your area, and you can do that.
But you as a teacher have no record of what the student is doing, which I don't like. But they did a pilot, OTAN did a pilot, and my agency signed up for EdReady. And inside, we were able to say, we want this module and we don't want that module-- we were actually able to design our own course. So students come in, they take a diagnostic, and then they only work on the gaps. Whatever they missed. And they can test out of that very quickly. In other words, they can take a small test, it's like, I don't know, it's probably three questions on a topic. If they can pass it-- and it's broken down in these little tiny increments.
We used to do awards. We put it into a Moodle course and we celebrated who gained the most points in a week. So top learners for this week. And we had flashing banners and everything else to support them. But I could see when was the last time they were online, how long they spent online, and there's also the videos, the practice, and everything else that if-- and whether they went to study the topic or whether they just took the exam.
It used to be that students, at least the problem I had with my students, was the fact that they would actually bypass the study part and just keep taking the test over and over. They fixed that part. So now students, they can take it once, but if they don't pass-- but then they go on to a video-- it's a whole series of these videos. They show them how, then they get them to practice. It's probably about five different mini-lessons involved. Then they come back and they can test.
No. This is totally-- EdReady-- when the pilot finished-- that's just how my school did it. When they were finished, you can get an EdReady course from OTAN. Because the pilot ended, and then-- and they have all kinds of different ones-- learning paths. They have for health care workers, for pharmacy techs. What math do they need to know? And they've got all these learning pathways. It might be something you want to do before they go into a vocational program. Culinary arts, what math do they need to know in culinary? And anyway, I love EdReady.
And if you want EdReady-- is this the pathways-- math pathways aligned by category, yeah. I would talk to OTAN. There's a link there, just give him a call and say you're interested and EdReady, and you want it for this particular class they can come up with the pathway. In other words, if you're doing automotive, what do they need to know in math, OK? And they'll give you that. They may have to down--
But the thing is, it's on OTAN's server, whereas when we did the pilot, it was on NROC's server. So it's a little bit different, but it's great.
Audience: And it's also free.
Susan Coulter: It's free. Yeah. Everything I'm telling you about, there is no charge, OK? I'm not telling you about anything-- I mean, you could get a premium package on something, but no, you don't need it. And what OTAN does, they receive funds from the state, and they want to look at the field and see what the needs are, and they will have different projects, different pilots. Let's try this out. Is this good for adult education? And they will invest the money so that you get it free.
Revolution English. I don't know much about Revolution English. Here is-- if you really want to-- there's a tech talk. I don't know who did this, but anyway, there a tech-- it helps students practice English outside the classroom, and it uses language immersion strategies, coaching techniques, and accessibility-- accessible technology. So here's another one if you're interested in it.
This is California adult education courses. You can request a Moodle. And you might if you decide you want your teachers to use Moodle, you might want to get training to go along with it. Moodle, you can design your own course. It's very easy. If you start from scratch, I'd say it's along the difficult side. I've been doing Moodle for years upon years, and it just takes some experience. There's some areas-- the potential is there for doing some really great things. You can also access Learn360 through a Moodle to put it into your course. So a lot of cool things you can do with it.
But up here is where I take a look. OTAN has paid people to develop courses. So there are some courses up there. I know there's some English classes-- English courses, et cetera there. Other shared courses. A shared course would be I create a course, they look at and they say, oh, that's pretty good. Yeah, hey. Would you mind sharing it? And they'll put it up.
They're working on some with EL Civics shared courses. Some of the COAPS, they've got some up there. I heard they're not totally finished yet, but they are coming, so something for next year maybe, which is a great resource. And then it is listed by school. Ah, my school's here. And we have, I don't know, quite a few Moodle courses. But it is a maintenance type of thing where you can add quizzes, you can add lessons, you can add videos, you can add just about anything to a Moodle course, but that-- if you start from the ground up, it'll take you a while to put it together. But all right.
Web-based class activities. We have a team of writers. I think there are three or four of us. And every month there is a new web-based article that comes out. And it is something that is current, something that we feel is beneficial to the field. Can be on different topics. I think the one this month-- I don't even know if it's come out-- is on reading for health care workers. It's out? OK, it is out. All right? And there's the past ones. So if you want to take a look at what's been coming out, OTAN has articles from every single month that come out.
But a web-based article once it comes out, now it goes into a teaching with technology activity. At the end of every article there is a sample activity. So it tells you what you need to do this activity, and-- hi-- and then how to prep for it-- what you need to do, all the steps-- and then how to give it as a lesson. And then some suggestions on how you might change it.
A ton of resources. And it just goes on and on and on. This is teaching with technology. It is an online database with activities by program area. And it just got shifted over. And this is updated every year. You know how things get broken? Activities now are being removed that have Flash. It's updated. It's kept current and. We write articles, so we write activities on a-- yearly. And there's actually some videos in there. Well let's take a look at one.
This is an activity. California Distance Learning Project Adult Learning Activity-- stole my identity blocks, new job, OK? This was just one, and there are probably a hundred different other articles you could do the activity on, but this is just one to give you a sample. Here is-- I know you can't see this, but this is the website. So you click there. This is what's needed-- you need a computer-- computers, internet access, projector for class presentation. Sample-- I think that's document-- stolen identity document, OK? It has new words list.
Here is a description on what the activity is about. And here's preparation. Preview the story. Mm-hmm. Review the activities available. I can't read it, sorry. But anyway. It goes through, there's more to it. Whoops, I want this. How to. It tells you the steps how to do the lesson, what the steps of this learning-- assigned activities, be available during the computer activity, experience-- especially if the students are new to the internet. Teacher tips. The story-- stories are a good jump-off place to writing assignments, OK?
So there's a little tips, here's the website. More ways, keywords. So if you were to search for something on fractions, you'd come up with an awful lot because to be honest, probably math in general, because there's so much out there. Anyway, this is teaching with technology, and we have a team that is writing activities for this.
Oh, this is the actual article. So students read the article, and there are some other-- I think there's some activities beyond that, but take a look. Lesson Plan Builder, needed to write some lesson plans. And these lesson plans are set up for warm-up, introduction, presentation, practice, evaluation, and application, and you can make your own lesson plans. It is kind of like a template, I would say. You sign up. And if you were there-- if you created some last year before the new website came out, then they're still there, but you have to sign in again or something. So that's Lesson Plan Builder.
OTAN Library. Over the years there's been lots of articles written on different subjects, different topics, and kind of the question came up, what do we do with them? This is where they are. They might be really old, I don't know. But it's just a place to store them, some of them are still applicable today. You might take a look around if you're looking for something specific. But this is the OTAN Library.
Employment-- employability skills. And I think there was like-- I can't read it, but anyway. California Adult Ed Provider Directory. You can put in a zip code and find all the adult education schools in the area, which is kind of cool. So you have a student who is now moving to-- well, we're in Sacramento-- LA, somewhere in LA. Put in a zip code, and you can find what schools are available.
So you can tell that, hey, there's a school right there. It's close to where you're moving, all right? And help them out. And I want to train you. When you find an error or a mistake or something that's not connecting, report it to OTAN. Yeah. They just changed to the new site. The new site is-- what do they call it? Responsive technology. So if you're on a cell phone or you're on a laptop or-- yeah, it knows and will change to accommodate the device that you are using.
And that was a big change. We could we couldn't get into teaching with technology for a little while. [laughs] Because there's programming issues. Report it. If something doesn't work, your school is not there, report it. OK. There's also a page on adult education, Student Succeed. You ever have a student who came through your class, finally graduated-- it was a struggle, but they made it, they graduated, and then they went on to be part of the city council? Or became an engineer or something like that? Celebrate it.
I can't remember-- I had one student that went through and then finally graduated from college, came back and told me about it, I was like, yes! [laughs] And they're up there someplace, OK? So something to celebrate. Online applications-- oh, this is more-- you can find links to stuff at CDE, applications. I'd go there rather than try to go through CAPE. But anyway.
And I think-- let me see, if I'm not mistaken, there's a welcome letter-- welcome back from Carolyn Zachary, a video, links to those. Applications. I believe that WIOA application was there, things like that, OK? More information. For more information about specific areas within this site-- oh yeah, Distance Learning, Plan, Workforce Innovation Act. So course approvals, non-federal funds expended for adult education, all right? I would say more for administration.
We are-- we just finished Resources, OK? So here are all the resources we just covered under that tab. There's a lot. Especially when you consider the curriculum it offers, there's quite a few. So let's go on to Stay Connected. I want to point out, before we go, see where it says join OTAN? You can join OTAN. All you need to put in is your email address. And then you can sign up for, I what the teacher digests in my email every month. I want the quarterly newsletter in my email every month.
And then you want to be-- I encourage you to be-- to check a box that says, I want to be informed of professional development opportunities within my area, OK? And they will send d PCC or Pasadena City College is doing a workshop on OER, OK? Oh, and it's open. Then I can go to their facility and take their workshop. So it's just nice to know. It may not be your agency, but it's training, all right?
So let's go through this. Wow, I'm doing good. Adult education news. There's articles all the time up on the OTAN web page depending on what's happening. I don't know what's up. Two OTAN webinars coming up. A reminder about TDLS. There are articles that they post on the website, and that's where these are kind of saved. And they change rapidly from one day to the next day. It changes that fast.
And let's see, Digital Inclusion Week begins, OTAN tech talk on Screencastify, and Teaching Vocabulary with Technology Training coming up. This may be a little old. Administrator's Digest. It's actually been redesigned, but news you can use, OTAN, what type of webinars, what type of training is coming up for that month so that you as an administrator can get your team involved in it. What else? But plans are underway for this TDLS.
This is the teacher's digest. It's changing a little. I told him I wanted pictures. [laughs] Make it look nice. But anyway, they used to have something that I really loved it, was called web sightings. So somebody found a new website that was great for adult education, then it would be posted there, and a little information. To me, that's really important you get all these ideas of different sites you can try it out before somebody writes an article on it. Anyway. This is Teachers Digest.
This is a newsletter. It comes out quarterly you can have it mailed to you. I'm surprised it wasn't in your packet. Oh, it is? OK. I'm sorry, I didn't see it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And it comes out every quarter. And you can have it mailed to you if you want, or you can get it in your-- yeah, email. So anyway, that's cool. Two to three times a year, I thought it was-- I think it's quarterly now. And it would come to you in your email as a PDF, but here's the hard copy.
Oh, here's Join. I talked about joining. All you have to put it in is your email address, all right? That's it. And I would like to receive the following OTAN publications. And you can go through each one, it's very quick. I would like to receive email notifications about, and these, I believe, are more like program areas. What do you have on ESL, OK? Send me information on notifications on ESL, OK? So be sure to sign up for this, it's amazing.
Video presentations. You notice Doug in the back here. Yeah, he's filming. And what's going to happen to the video? He's going to send it to-- or he's going to do some editing, probably, and then he's going-- probably a lot-- and he's going to send it to Marjorie, and Marjorie has to come up with closed captions, all right? So it has to be closed captioned. And then it is put up on OTAN's YouTube channel, all right?
They're there. They're there for you to use. All the tech talks. I talked about tech talks, they are 20 minutes, 30 minutes, scripted to make it easier on the staff, and then they are posted. It may take a couple of weeks or so depending on how many things they've been filming, but it's available to you. So I want you to know where they are. There's Featured videos.
DLAC. All their presentations are filmed. They did presentations last May, and the ones from last year, I believe, are up there. It's a lot of resources. If you're interested in DLAC, which I hope you are, and I'm pushing for DLAC because I think it's wonderful, it just helps you get everything going on your project. If you have something you want to introduce, distance learning-- a lot of schools are going for distance learning, also the blended learning, so that's available.
This is the tech talks. We have one on embedding digital literacy skills into adult ESL. I think-- I can't read it, sorry. LinkedIn for adult education, online resources, and ideas to support ABE, AOC, and ELL job seekers. Here's Revolution English. Evaluating websites, Learn360. Moodle courses for ESL. That gives you a good preview if you're interested in any of the Moodle sites. They go through each one and let you-- you preview them.
And you can also go on the Adult Ed Courses website and you can enter as a guest and see what it looks like. You can enroll in it. You just go in and do you want to enroll, and you're in. So you can preview it, see what it's like, and decide or something. And the thing with those courses is you can say, I like this, but I don't like this, OK? You can hide it. I would suggest hiding it instead of deleting it, because you may come back-- it may come back to haunt you.
But anyway, Quizlet. And, ooh, I'm really doing good. Here it is OTAN's website. I want you to subscribe to their YouTube channel, then don't go search OTAN, I've done that before. You have to have OTAN Serves Adult Education, right? That'll get you in and you can see all the videos. There are training videos on how to put things into Moodle, different things on Excel, there are all kinds of series where someone has created little short videos on how to do things.
Like us on Facebook, and there's a lot going on Twitter. OTAN has a good Twitter. And they will post, there's a tech talk coming up, be sure to join and tell you what it's about. So there's a lot of things happening there that I want to make sure you take part in. But-- all right, we have time. I was worried about the time because I heard I had 50 minutes and I said, oh my. So that's why everything is static, it's on a PowerPoint-- screenshots. Plus, you never know about the internet. So let's get out of here.
Now you have to have 10 enrolled. So you're going to have to make some plans ahead of time, and the person to contact is Melinda Holt. She kind of schedules everything. And then she pulls up and she says, OK, in your area who's the best trainer, [gibberish]. Yeah. It was who?
Audience: Melinda Holt.
Susan Coulter: Yeah, she's great. Yeah, she's the best of the best. Anyway, but she will coordinate with you, make sure you have the necessary equipment to do it, et cetera. And then the cut-off point is two weeks ahead of time, because if she has to get a flight to your agency, you have to have 10 enrolled by that date. So you can just contact her, she would love to hear from you. She does quite a few workshops and has a ball doing them.